On my way to work this morning I took an photo of an application posted the shutters of a shop that has stood empty for over 12 months for a license to sell alcohol. I emailed it to James who duly posted it to our facebook page:
A few hours later a comment appeared from one of our local councillors “Just a note to say that I have an expanded article on this on www.philbateman.com– would be pleased to receive constituents views. Also still keen to meet with WV11?”
Once there I was a little dismayed to see no credit whatsoever to WV11 as the source of the information. In the 3 years we have been running our site we have come to expect this from the Express and Star, but from a local councillor not so much so, especially as we have credited him with stories in the past, let him post links to his website from our facebook page* and gave him and all the other candidates coverage in the local elections.
(*as we would/do all other local councillors we show no favouritism or party politics on our site)
I took to twitter (as I often do) to vent my frustration about this – the following conversation took place – the first tweet it missing from the screen grab but it read:
Love it when local councillors take stories from your hyperlocal website without giving credit….
Followed by this on our facebook page:
Now as I said in my reply to Phil on Facebook and will happily reiterate here – I don’t see Phil Bateman as a “rival” website – our roles are very different. What had irked me was the lack of basic web etiquette and what has annoyed me more was his response to it.
I took to twitter to vent – without calling him out by mentioning him, as while annoying all in all it’s not the end of the world.
When using other people content verbatim (ahem Express and Star) or using their content as a basis for your own content it is basic manners to cite your source or link back to the original article – this is true of blogs, news sites, photo sharing sites – heck anywhere online- there are whole articles on it, including this one on the web for Dummies BUT now it’s his responses both directly to me on twitter and publicly to our community on facebook has really rubbed me up the wrong way.
Firstly his twitter response – why do the rules of the internet etiquette not apply to him? He may not be a “news” site – but then I could argue neither are we conventionally – We are a community website. Secondly why then take the conversation to our facebook page? – he was talking to me as an individual on Twitter who was annoyed, NOT as WV11 in front of the community?
I vented on twitter without mentioning him as I was frustrated, I am calling him out on here as I’m quite annoyed.
Basic manners apply to all on-line and offline. Mr Bateman is not the first to fall foul of this and I’m sure he wont be the last but web etiquette costs nothing and my advise to all is if you are engaging with someone on a platform stick to that platform and if you use someone’s content link often and link generously!
The stupid thing is if you link to a more sites – particularly popular ones and they link back (which we do) you even help your own (excuse the swear word) SEO!